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Wednesday, September 01, 2010
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If The Demand Is So High - Then Where Are The Options?

An interesting thing happened at work yesterday. For the past week, we've had a coworker from one of our offices in India visiting, making trips to several clients while he was here. Yesterday we found out that he needed to get to the Dells area to visit a client the next day. Someone from our Madison office said he would take him to the Dells, so all we had to do was get him to Madison this morning.

Of course, everyone joked, "Let's put him on the high speed train!". And then we started looking to see what our options were.

For $129 round trip, he could have flown from Milwaukee to Madison, but the flight times weren't ideal, and he'd still have to get to the airport and back. What about taking a regular low speed train? Surely if they want to put a high speed train in, there must currently be an Amtrak run going to Madison, right? If you go to the Amtrak website, and say you'd like to go from Milwaukee to Madison, it will first put you on a train to Union Station in Chicago, and then they'll put you on a bus from Chicago to Madison. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

But what about buses? As Patrick McIlheran points out, there is a very successful bus line that runs from Milwaukee to Madison right now. It's also very flexible, since it doesn't depend on massive infrastructure to support. In fact, there's a pick-up and drop off at various Park and Ride locations in Milwaukee on the way to Madison, including a stop at State Fair Park.

What I found interesting, was there was only one bus line that made the Milwaukee-Madison run... Badger Bus. Wisconsin Coach Lines will go down to Chicago, and Lamers will handle all your needs going up US-41. That surprised me. After all, with all this talk about the need for a high speed rail line to Madison, I was imagining this huge pent up demand for mass transit there. And yet, with all this supposed demand, there is only 1 bus line supporting it?

The liberals reading this will immediately react and say... See, we need a high speed rail line! Or perhaps, the demand isn't there at all... and maybe a single bus line going back and forth is more than enough to support mass transit to Madison... and all these billions of dollars that people want to spend will be an absolute waste. After all, imaging how many buses you can buy with that amount of money!

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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:54:05 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
You know, I was just thinking today; our leg of this "high speed" rail is supposed to eventually connect Chicago to Minneapolis/St. Paul by way of Milwaukee and Madison. If that's the case, instead of building a new rail line, why don't we just upgrade the line that already exists? The Amtrak Empire Builder runs from Chicago to Seattle by way of Milwaukee (and, incidentally, the Dells, although that may not have helped you in this situation). Couldn't we just re-route it to pass through Madison before turning northwest to head on to the twin cities? Same result, a lot less money.

Mind you, I'm not advocating for high speed rail. I'm of the opinion that this is going to go down as one of the biggest boondoggles in state history.
Coop
Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:42:00 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Coop, you're talking about essentially what's being done, except with track upgrades to allow for increased speeds. Nick, we're not spending billions, just 810 million. I don't think people from Milwaukee understand that Madisonians don't really care that much about getting to Milwaukee (or Milwaukeeans getting here). That's easy enough with the interstate and Milwaukee's not all that walkable once you get there. We want a route to Chicago that doesn't involve driving into Chicago. This is also the first step in catching up to the coasts, both of which, after California's portion of the rail stimulus is spent, will have actual high-speed (150 - 200 mph) rail connecting their cities. That would be a fantastic thing for the ~ 15 million people that live in the metro areas along the corridor between Chicago and the Twin Cities but we have to crawl before we can run.

If you still think there's still nothing in it for you right now, tell me why I should care. Apart from the fact that Milwaukee already has a successful rail connection to Chicago, we'll be dumping about four billion dollars into Milwaukee's freeways over the next decade. You got yours. Stop whining.
Pete
Friday, September 03, 2010 9:11:37 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
"As Patrick McIlheran points out, there is a very successful bus line that runs from Milwaukee to Madison right now. It's also very flexible, since it doesn't depend on massive infrastructure to support"

Let's see 60 miles of Interstate highway at what? 3 million per mile? Add in the 30 acres of Par 'N' Rides at $30,000 per acre. Snowplowing. Mowing. Police patrols. Repaving and bridge maintainence.

Methinks McIheran is less than intellectually rigorous in his argument.
grumps
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