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Monday, October 06, 2008
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Voting as an Investment

I still struggle to convince people (like my dear old sister) that I won't be throwing away my vote in November by checking the box (or actually completing the arrow) for Bob Barr.  So consider this to be another installment in my continuing series of "analogies you won't agree with for voting for a third party candidate".  I've already covered Voters as Battered Women (which as it turns out is not a popular analogy with women - I don't know why this surprised me), and Voting With the Goal of Not Encouraging Bad Behavior.  But can voting be an investment into the future?

The most common argument I hear when I tell people I'll be voting for a third party is very similar to how my sister commented to my last post on the topic:

The reality is that either McCain or Obama will win and if you don't care which one it is--then go ahead and vote for whomever. But....If you have issue with one of these two candidates being President for the next 4 maybe 8 years--then you are throwing away your vote. It's up to how you want to live for the forseeable future, and if you can live with the repercussions.

Sometimes it's just about the least of two evils, we gain more experience in this the older we get.

The problem as I see it is that most people don't like where either of the two major parties stand, but they see no choice in this election.  But, if I vote for a third party, and enough other people do, even if there is no likelyhood of success, then that has the possibility of changing elections in the future.  As John correctly points out:

The vote won't be wasted. If nothing else, my vote will help the Greens/Libertarians/Constitutional party retain ballot status here in Wisconsin. In these trouble times we need more options on the ballot not less. You're not against choice and open debate are are?

Your ability to automatically have a place on the ballot is tied to the number of votes you got in the last election.  Moreover, the larger percentage that can be won by a third party, the more likely that the two other major parties will have to change their views to fit that of an electorate which is becoming very quickly dissatisfied with their performance.

The two major parties simply don't fear us any more.  If you're always willing to vote for whatever douche bag or turd sandwich they happen to put up for a vote, they never will either.  I vote this November for a third party candidate, hoping that in the future more third parties will become viable, allowing my voting investement to grow.  It's a risky investment that might not pay off, but I'm willing to do it even though I know neither of the two parties will bail me out if it loses.  So its not about who gets elected this year, but who will potentially be available for election in the next term.

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Monday, October 06, 2008 5:46:15 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
This bailout bill has me considering your investment proposition.
BJ Lillo
Monday, October 06, 2008 11:45:53 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
1) I'm not old
2) You know I hate to be material for your blog
3) Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first
4) I'm actually behind my candidate and the majority of the issues that he is promoting so I'm not at risk for the "turd buscuit" vote
5) Always remember (which is ironic considering this next part) that our country has a memory of about 5 minutes. It's nice to think that you can gain momentum through your theory however, look around--people don't know the history of their own religion, let alone who was even on the last presidental ticket--I fear for you out there with such optimism and hope
Sarah
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:00:38 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
ok, I just hit "save comment" twice, maybe i'm a little old
Sarah
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:17:43 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
You fear for my "optimism and hope"... given who you want to vote for? That is ironic indeed. And when did I call you old? OK, I'm sure I have, but not in that post. ;-)
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:48:18 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
"I still struggle to convince people (like my dear old sister) that I won't be throwing away my vote in November by checking the box (or actually completing the arrow) for Bob Barr."
See how quickly we forget?

xx
Sarah
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:50:27 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Yeah well... right. I didn't mean it like "old" as in you're old like Mom. I meant it as in dear 'ol... as in... well... its a saying dammit!
xoxo
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 6:12:14 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Great--I'm glad you don't think of me as a 70 year old woman. Now I can sleep tonight.
Sarah
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:17:38 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
I'd like to see more options at the voting booth too. But, our country has been a two party system from the start. You'd have to change the rules to really allow for multiple parties. Say Wisconsin as a whole has 8 Congressional seats. The top 8 vote getters for the entire state would be elected, eliminating individual districts. They would then have to form alliances in Congress to form a majority. But this isn't going to happen...

I think it is possible for a third party to emerge but it requires a charismatic leader like a Teddy Roosevelt. Go ahead and vote for Bob Barr, but he's a kook! The libertarian party actively campaigned against him while he was running for Congress. He's been accused of many of the same things that McCain has, which you've blogged about. Do votes for Bob Barr or a Ralph Nader add anything to the public discourse? Ralph Nader was last seen talking to a dog puppet on Conan O'Brien!

Here's some mud for you to sling at Barr (courtesy of wikipedia). There's plenty more regarding his political career but it gets kind of lengthy:

In 1999, during Clinton's impeachment trial, Hustler publisher Larry Flynt offered money to anyone who could provide evidence that a prominent Republican had engaged in an extramarital affair. According to the American Journalism Review[69] investigators for Flynt found that Barr was "guilty of king-size hypocrisy;" the outspoken abortion foe had acquiesced in his then-wife having an abortion in 1983. Investigators also found that Barr invoked a legal privilege during his 1985 divorce proceeding, so he could refuse to answer questions on whether he'd cheated on his second wife with the woman who is now his third."[70]

In the early 1990s, Barr was photographed at a fundraising event licking whipped cream off of a woman.[71] According to the Washington Post "Two people who observed the act say it wasn't exactly a bosom lick but more like a neckline lick, at the sort of event where business and civic leaders perform dares to raise money. 'Not exactly Mr. Effusive', says Matt Towery, the former chairman of Newt Gingrich's political organization, who observed the brief and awkward licking. 'You can hardly get the guy to smile'".[72]
Ben
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