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Monday, January 07, 2008
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Bill O'Reilly Is Full of Sh*t

So I just watched Bill O'Reilly going ape shit because someone from the Obama campaign tried to keep him away from a campaign event in New Hampshire.  Seriously?!  After what Fox News did to Ron Paul?  You're going to complain about being excluded by a candidate?  That's what we call karma you hypocrite, and you deserved every second of it.

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Monday, January 07, 2008 9:43:13 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Please tell me you disapprove of the thuggery shown towards Sean Hannity? Last time I heard he didn't keep Paul out of Sunday night's debate.
Monday, January 07, 2008 9:43:50 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
P.S. I have no sympathy for O'Reilly. He was the jerk, not the Obama staffer.
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:18:45 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I'm sure Mr O'reilly made the decision to exclude Paul... Nick you are off the deep end.

The Obama staffer was singling out O'Reilly and restricting freedom of the press. That is the story.

Where's your constitution now?
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:23:28 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
And silence towards the intimidation towards Hannity. That was definitely un-libertarian.
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:28:10 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Though O'Reilly didn't personally make the decision to exclude Paul, he did say on his show that he would have made the same decision if it were his to make.

Secondly, there is no Constitutional quandary here Fred. Obama has every right to exclude O'Reilly from a campaign event if he wants to. Freedom of the Press does not give anyone carte blanche to go where ever you want and do whatever you want. It allows you to print whatever you know. O'Reilly did just that. He talked about being excluded.

Fox News had every right to exclude Ron Paul for the same reasons. I disagree with the decision, and think it calls into question Fox New's commitment to fair and balanced coverage as a media organization, but just like Fox News, I'm talking about it.

The question is whether excluding candidates, and then complaining about being excluded makes you a hypocrite. I think the answer is clearly yes.
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:29:34 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
And to Sean regarding the "intimidation" of Sean Hannity... I watched that video, but can't honestly see where the intimidation was. As far as I could see, it simply showed a lot of pissed of Paul supporters marching in front of where the Fox News debate was being held. Free Assembly and Free Speech are protected in the constitution last time I checked.
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55:07 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Nick, you missed the screaming and the voice heard a few times to not throw snowballs. These buffoons actually thought screaming at Hannity, who didn't decide to exclude Paul, was acceptable behavior.

Would you have taken part? I think you'd be better than that.

Paul refuses to say anything harsh against his most anti-social supporters. What complete tone-deafness. Paul is the libertarian version of Mr. Magoo. He has absolutely no idea what's going on around him whether it's angry mobs or words written under his name.

Let's have Nick Gillespie run as the anti-war, libertarian Republican. He's got much more sense than "Dr. No."
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:37:53 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Look Sean, you can piss and moan about his supporters all you want, and how you don't think they're doing it the "right way" like you think are doing. It really doesn't matter. Its important to people who operate campaigns, but doesn't really extend a lot further.

The irony here is that you don't think that Hannity ought to be attacked, because he didn't make the decision to keep Ron Paul out of the Fox News forum. But he does work for Fox News, and he did certainly did not come out and say that Fox News was wrong. Yet you want Paul to be held accountable in the exact same way for what his supporters did. If Hannity shouldn't be held accountable for the decision of Fox News, why should Paul be held accountable for what a small number of his supporters did?

And how about your boy Fred? He was in the forum, and he only managed 1%? Really?
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:42:16 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Nick, I figured you go ad hominem (or some other related fallacy). I'm not talking about the "right way" of campaigning. I'm talking about a civil way. Chasing and screaming after someone who wasn't responsible for a decision is very unlibertarian. It's threatening and wrong. Those people acted like brutes, and I'm saddened you seem to accept their behavior.

I hold Paul accountable for his own actions. It's telling he never says anything bad about the instances of uncivil behavior done in his name. Judging from the newsletter frakas that's due to Paul being unaware of what's going on around him. I would hope he would be outraged at the incivility. But if the subject isn't constitutionalism and Austrian economics he's oblivious. Sad.
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:48:51 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
You know what... I think civility is really becoming over rated. There isn't enough outrage when it comes to how our rights are trampled by our representatives. I say bring it.
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:51:26 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
And I thought libertarianism was a movement of peace. That's what Paul has told me.

There's a difference between disagreeing and being uncivil. I can understand outrage over unjust uses of force. But not having your candidate invited to a debate? It was another demonstration of political immaturity.

Paul's movement shows there's a craving for limited government and the willingness to donate to that cause. Maybe some real leaders will sprout up.
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:55:06 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Paul has talked about peace in regards to not going to war. However he has also praised people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks, as well as others, who have committed civil disobedience in fighting unjust acts.

As far as the need for leaders to sprout up... I sure hope so. Because there are no other candidates on either side of the aisle who fit the mold. It's desperately needed.
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