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Friday, December 07, 2007
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The Politics of Religion

I was reading a lot of the reaction from some of my regular conservative blog reads, on Mitt Romeny's "Religion Speech".  The general reaction seems to be that it struck a positive cord.  We shouldn't hold a person's religious beliefs against them.  And to be fair to Mitt, I don't hold his personal religious beliefs against him.  If they were simply a religious politician, I'd be fine with that.  The problem that I seem to have with a lot of very religious politicians is that they don't keep their beliefs personal.  Their beliefs often times drive their policies.  That, I have a problem with.

I have a problem with big government intrusiveness into my life, no matter what the driver is behind it.  For many of the Democratic candidates, it seems to come out of a sense of liberal guilt, and a desire to right economic wrongs done unto the poor by evil corporations.  For many of the Republican candidates, it comes out of Christian* charity, and a desire to enforce some sort of Christian* morals.  But either way... the result is the same.  Someone is telling me to live my life in a way that I don't choose, and doing so at the point of a gun.  Let's take a look at some of Mitt's policy ideas.  First he talks about cutting federal spending, reforming entitlements, and looking at all departments "stem to stern" (was he in the Navy?).  Great lip service, but are you willing to honestly follow through?  But let's look at some of his other ideas.

For instance, on Education, he first says that "Governor Romney Believes Our Education System Works Best When We Have More Local Control Of Our Schools."  OK... but then further down, "Governor Romney Will Improve Upon And Enhance No Child Left Behind (NCLB). He believes that No Child Left Behind has played an important role in stressing the role of accountability and high standards in improving our schools.".  Uh huh.  No Child Left Behind specifically takes away local power and puts in the hands of the federal government.  So how can you improve local control, and take it away the same time?  Of course, Mitt would also like to Nationalize his Massachusetts insurance plan, which has not surprisingly proved to be quite a boondoggle, and has become twice as expensive as originally anticipated.  We're not looking good so far in the federal spending arena.

My favorite section of his web site is called "American Culture & Values".  This will be good... you just know it.  So how does Mitt plan on using his smaller, leaner, cost effective federal government to improve our Culture?  Well, the good Governor will force all computer manufactures to put optional porn filters in computers.  To "protect our children", he will enforce all our nation's obscenity laws.  He mentions this after talking about the need to have a Supreme Court that obeys the Constitution.  Apparently the good Governor has forgotten about the 1st Amendment.  Or maybe he doesn't think the Constitution applies to the Executive Branch.  He does mention the need for Free Speech in reference to McCain-Feingold though... so you're free to speak with your wallet for him, but he won't let you speak freely back.  How generous of him.

Of course, the normal calls for Roe v. Wade to be overturned are thrown in "so that states can decide for themselves"... but he wants a Federal Marriage Amendment to "protect the sanctity of marriage".  In other words, federalism when its convenient for my religious beliefs.  Go figure.

Part of the problem I have has nothing to do with religion.  It has to do with him being a Governor.  I used to think that it was good for a President to have executive experience, but now I'm not so sure.  Every time I look at former governor's plans for being President, they keep talking about how they want to nationalize everything they did as governor.  It shows a basic lack of understanding in Federalism, and the power that they ought to be giving up as President.

What I want from a President is not someone who talks about how he is going to use his newfound power for some greater purpose, but rather someone who is going to give up power, and give it back to the people.  Ron Paul is that man.  Government has been taking power away for far too long.  We don't just need a new direction, we need a reversal in direction.

*I put a star by Christian, mostly because I think a lot of Christians seem to think that Mormons are like Christians, like Protestants and Catholics are Christians.  This actually far from true, and Mormons aren't Christians.  That's nothing against Mormonism... it's just a common misconception.  Saying that Mormonism is another kind of Christianity is like saying that Islam is another form of Christianity.

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Friday, December 07, 2007 2:40:21 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Have you ever tried explaining to a Mormon that they're not a Christian? It can keep you busy for hours.

Friday, December 07, 2007 3:28:10 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
"Saying that Mormonism is another kind of Christianity is like saying that Islam is another form of Christianity."

Uh, Mormons are Christians. They believe Jesus was the son of God. Saying Mormonism is another kind of Christianianity is actually like saying Islam is another Abrahamic religion. And it is.
Friday, December 07, 2007 4:19:52 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Well believers of Islam also believe that Jesus was the son of God as well. They just also believe in Mohammad, which Christians do not, which is why they are not considered Christians.. Likewise, Mormons believe things beyond Jesus that makes the two faiths largely incompatible.

But you are correct that they are both Abrahamic religions. But a just because a square is a rectangle, doesn't mean that a rectangle is a square.
Friday, December 07, 2007 5:30:04 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Mormons also wear holy underwear and think they're going to go make spirit babies with Jesus when they die. That doesn't fit in the true definition of Christianity. Neither does their refusal to recognize the Trinity.
Friday, December 07, 2007 7:47:44 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
"Well believers of Islam also believe that Jesus was the son of God as well."

WHAT?!?!?!? No they don't. They think he was a prophet of God, but not the son of God and not a part of the trinity. Seriously Nick, I'm shocked that you thought that.
Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:44:06 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Yeah, I was thinking prophet, but between all the differnet religions, I spoke incorrectly. Thanks for the correction jijawm... Could you come up with an easier name to type out?
Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:45:40 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
So, um, don't you tink you should update your little star up there? Mormons are definately Christians.
Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:49:06 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Ummm... no. My incorrect statement about the Islamic belief in Jesus doesn't change the Mormon belief (or lack thereof) in the Trinity, nor the other Mormon beliefs which make them incompatible with Christianity at large. It's not meant as a knock on Mormonism, but it is reality.
Monday, December 10, 2007 8:36:12 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Look, here's how it breaks down. Abrahamic religions include all of the ones in which Abraham was a prophet (and obviously there is some disagreement about who Abraham was and what he did): Judaeism, Islam and Christianity. "Christianity" is a like a subcategory of the category "Abrahamic Religions". Christian religions are all those that believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, was born of a virgin, lived a perfect and sinless life, was crucified, and through his atoning sacrifice mankind can be forgiven of their sins and all that crap. That's how the subcategory "Christianity" is defined. It's really quite clear. Mormons believe this and therefore fall into the subcategory of Abrahamic religions known as "Christianity." Now there are also many subsets of Christianity. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) is one, and it is most definately different from the Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant subsets. So it's certainly correst to say Mormons aren't Catholics, or Mormons aren't Protestants, but they are absolutely Christians. Actually, all of these subsets of Christianity break down further. There are different kinds of Catholics and different kinds of Mormons too, but they are all still Christians.
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:38:27 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Nick,

The notion that religious views should not drive their policy
views is ultimately a very discriminatory and unfair one.

Just what should drive policy preferences?

Is it wrong for (say) Catholic views to drive policy preferences
but OK for feminist views to do so?

Is it wrong for (say) Mormon views to drive policy preferences
but OK for socialist views to?

I understand that you are a libertarian, and as such aren't
keen on government imposing Catholic or feminist
or socialist views on people.

But you need to admit the hypocrisy of standard liberals
on issues like this.

Further, being a libertarian is a particular political
philosophy. On most issues, I probably agree with you.

But you should understand that you do have normative beliefs. And
if religious people disagree with your normative beliefs, you
need to debate them, and not declare religion to be out of bounds
from point zero.

On most issues, by the way, libertarians and religious
conservatives ought to be on the same page. It is, after all,
secular liberals who want to use the power of big government
to impose secular views on the American people.
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:10:44 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
John, you are obviously showing a very "us vs. them" mentality, which I've tried to debate over the last several weeks of posting. Further, you seem to miss the point of the post by concentrating (as many did) on the religion aspect, instead of taking the post as a whole.

My point is that I don't care what DRIVES your policies. I care about your policies. If your policies are driven by feminism, or liberal guilt, or religion, but they impose those beliefs improperly on me, then I don't like them. I see a tendency among many Republicans to ignore the results of a policy as long as they like the driver, in this case religion.

Look at "Compassionate Conservatism". That is simply big government and income redistribution, wrapped up in a model of "Christian Charity". If a liberal were to propose that sort of thing to assuage his guilt, Republicans would talk about how evil it is. But when Republicans impose the same out of Christian charity, then its suddenly OK.

My view is that I don't care WHY you do it. It's wrong either way.
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