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Wednesday, August 22, 2007
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So Exactly What Is The Difference?

I was performing my occasional masochistic ritual of watching the O'Reilly Factor tonight, and he had a segment with a "sportsman" who was trying to explain the difference between hunting and dog fighting.  This was in response to the latest in the Michael Vick fiasco, where Stephon Marbury of the Knicks has now expressed support for Vick saying:

"I think we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals," the Knick point guard told Capital News 9, an Albany TV station. "You know, from what I understand, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors.

Let's just say that the sportsman that O'Reilly had on didn't do a very good job of explaining the difference.  O'Reilly obviously doesn't like dog fighting, and doesn't like Michael Vick, and so was tossing this guy some softballs, but the whole thing left you wondering... exactly what is the difference between hunting and dog fighting?  They both involve animals dying for the entertainment of people.  Why is one considered heinous and one considered noble tradition?

I for one had a very visceral reaction to the descriptions of dog fighting.  I can't describe how awful the horrible things that they do during training and during the fights make me feel.  And yet... why is it so hard to put into words the difference?  I can only come up with one reason.

Dogs are companion animals, and deer are not.  For the same reason that many people (including me) would never think of eating horse meat, but don't shy away from a hamburger.  Dogs are loyal companions.  They trust us, befriend us, look to us for kindness, and return it in more ways than can be expressed in words.  Doing what these people do to them for sport betrays that sacred trust that we have had with our dogs for thousands of years.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:46:16 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Nick-

Spend some time in the country. My wife and I own a small plot of land in Central Wisconsin and both love to watch the deer that come through are yard. We have even been able to start to distinguish difference between the different deer and have named some of them. Trust me when I tell you that you do not want to be around my wife or I during hunting season. We haven't figured out if it's worse to be there and hearing the cannonade, knowing that "our" deer could be the targets, or sitting in the city and then having to wait weeks before knowing if "our" deer were able to outwit the hunters for another year.
capper
Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:18:59 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
There are those of us that look at hunting, not as a sport, but as a means of provision. Everyone knows how poor, in-bred, and ignorant we are down here in Missisippi, but most do not realize how resourceful we can be when we have to be. I know of a few ignernt rednecks that kill deer for the thrill, but most of us take one or two a season to put in the freezer to help make ends meet.
I also know some people that fight dogs and get a macho thrill out of their dog's prowess. What can I say? These sub-humans are the ones that the rest of you will see portrayed on television as typical Southerners.
I could go on for hours, but this is Nick's blog and not mine. Hope all is well in the great state of Wisconsin.
lncoharp
Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:33:12 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
You cant compare the two.
To compare the two, raise - and then have - 2 deer fight each other to the death for your amusement.
Or, when deer become the overlords of Earth, they escalate Ultimate Fighting to a fight to the death, or they kill you.
Do you think Vick had Rottweiler jerky along with his venison jerky?

Huge difference, Nick.
Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:23:26 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
So, still Unreal, you're saying that if they were the same thing, then they'd be the same thing. Brilliant. As always, still Unreal doesn't get that a comparison doesn't have to be exactly the same to contain a valid point.

I'm with Nick. I feel that dog fighting is wrong and that hunting is good. But I can't put into words any reason for the difference. Obviously, still Unreal can't either.
jesusisjustalrightwithme
Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:14:42 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
One is torture only for the sake of your amusement, JIJAWM, and one is not.
I'm sure its just another concept you'll never get.
Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:03:49 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
I won't say that I think hunting is "good." It depends on the hunter. There are hunters that torture animals and call it hunting. However, dog fighting can't really be compared to the traditional hunting which is not something I would take part in, but is a necessary evil not only for food but for ecological reasons. This week on "Real Sports" on HBO they did a segment on dog fighting stemming from the NFL guy. They showed graphic video of dog fighting and the farms on which they are raised and tormented. It was awful, I could barely watch--like watching a child being beaten. And the sheer enjoyment those sick bastards get from it. They should be tortured that way. As an owner of 2 of the sweetest rottweilers on the planet I have a sick sense of what it would take to make a dog that violent--it's not their nature, it's their nurture. Watch the footage and then judge for yourself.
Sarah
Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:17:03 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
"One is torture only for the sake of your amusement, JIJAWM, and one is not.
I'm sure its just another concept you'll never get."

It's not that I don't "get" something. Quit being such a moron. I'm not talking about what Vick did after the fights--the "rape chairs" and the slamming the loser dogs on the concrete. I'm talking about dog fighting in general. Both dog fighting and hunting are "torturing" for the sake of entertainment.
jesusisjustalrightwithme
Friday, August 24, 2007 5:41:45 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
"Both dog fighting and hunting are "torturing" for the sake of entertainment."
WOW.
I really would appreciate it if you would stop using our oxygen now, JIJAWM.
That was off-the-charts insane "comeback." I wasnt talking about those things either.
Let me know the next time a pit bull or rottwiller totals a car or dies in the wild from overpopulation.....i want everyone to be entertained.
I don't hunt and don't particularly like dogs, but....your logic is pure douchebag.
Friday, August 24, 2007 6:52:27 PM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
Both of you! Don't make me pull this blog over! Let's keep it civil.
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