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The Libertarian Utopia

An interesting comment thread recently appeared on this post at Real Debate Wisconsin talking about whether there is a tax you'd ever disapprove of as a Democrat (and the converse question was posed for Republicans).  As a good libertarian, I had this to say:

1. The Healthy Wisconsin proposal WILL cost more than is advertised, and will certainly cost ME more even as currently advertised.

2. There is not a single tax which I would be in favor of at this point. Period. It's fun to be a libertarian.

Simple and very honest.  No tax.  Period.  If you want to spend more, I suggest you cut somewhere else.  There is plenty to cut.  Scott Feldstein responded to that comment with this, which in part reads:

Libertarianism has always struck me as embarrassingly simplistic and hopelessly naive. The idea that if we simply abolish government services as we know them that - like magic - self-interest and Adam Smith's invisible hand will produce Utopia is ludicrous.

I was a little surprised by this to be honest.  As a libertarian in relatively good standing, I don't think I've ever been accused of being a Utopian.  I suppose that was the point... Utopia can't be come from libertarianism.  What's interesting about Scott's comment is that it implies that not only is utopia possible, but that it's something we should be striving for.  I have no such dreams of Utopia.  Utopia is simply not possible.  I know this because I know that human beings are fallible.  We are greedy.  We are self interested.  These facts prevent Utopia from ever coming into being.

The problem is that there is a large segment of the population that believe that Utopia is possible, and that it's worth striving to achieve.  The usual route to this Utopia has been an increase in the size and involvement of government in our daily lives.  And while I know of no liberal who would ever suggest that Utopia is genuinely possible... most will argue that even if impossible to achieve, it's worthwhile getting as close as we can... usually through some form of government involvement.

The problem with this is that people are fallible, greedy and self interested.  These same people are the ones who will be in charge of government.  And so while many would be happy to hand over the reigns of their life to those in government in exchange for the hope of coming closer to some Utopian fantasy, they are in fact handing over the reigns of their life to fallible, greedy, self interested humans who are more interested in making their own lives better (using your funds), and not interested in making yours any better.  Not only are they handing over the reigns, but they are also handing over the ability to resist government influence once you're given up control.  Government not only has the power to tax, but the power to jail or kill those who resist.

In this life, there is only one person you can truly count on.  Yourself.  The problem with the liberal attempts to coming closer to Utopia is that the more they try, the harder they make it for me to depend on myself.  It's not about my getting used to the government helping me, and getting lazy.  It's now getting to the point where government actively stops me from helping myself, and forces me to depend on government.

And to be honest... I just don't like the choices government makes for me.  That's not utopia.  That's hell.  Libertarian ideals don't lead to Utopia... that's not our goal.  They simply lead to the ability of free people to make choices about their lives as they see fit (not as someone else would have you live your life), and live with the consequences.  For most liberals, it's the second half that causes the problems.  I accept that negative consequences are an inherent result from our ability to make choices.  That is not a reason to stop people from choosing.  Some things just are what they are.

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Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:17:27 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
I'm not quite sure what the above has to do with anything. There are utopians of every ideological and religious stripe, and there are people of more reasonable and critical perspective of every ideological and religious stripe. If some libertarians sometimes tend to view the market as a cure all for every ill, some liberals some of the time think the same ab out government. Have a social problem, just involk the divine people in government and they will throw money at the problem until it goes poof. Very simplistic, no critical thought needed.

I think that the problem some liberals [aka socialists who don't like the label] and some "conservatives" [aka fascists who don't like the label] have with libertarianism is not that they don't understand the notion of individual responsibility, but that they really don't understand economics. The real economics, the economics that studies how markets actually work in a context of a mass society, not the false crystal ball economics that wants to predict the stock market. That lack of knowledge is unnecessary. There have been for a number of decades now a number of texts and lay books that do a good job of addressing a lack of economic knowledge. I would particularly recommend Paul Heyne's The Economic Way of Thinking [preferably in the 4th thru 6th editions, which you can probably pick up used on the internet for about a dollar]. You might follow a read of that very readable text with David Friedman's Hidden Order: The Economics of Everday Life and/or Law's Order: An Economic Account [exerpts of which can be found here http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Academic.html ]

Cheers
Craig J. Bolton
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:21:26 AM (Central Daylight Time, UTC-05:00)
While I agree that there are Utopians of almost every stripe... I have not described my desire to see, nor think Utopia is possible. Generally the idea of "Utopia" implies some sort of perfect world. However, as I described, perfection is impossible when you have fallible human beings who are greedy and self interested.

Libertarianism at it's heart is about achieving the best ends, depending on people's self interest and greed to give best outcome for themselves and their families. Mutual self interest and greed among a group, with minimal government intervention to mediate the differences, will even itself out.

While economics is certainly an important aspect of libertarianism... it's secondary in my view. Choice is primary... even if you choose wrong, you should still be able to choose. You just have to be willing to live with the consequences.
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